For starters, the most important thing: How are you?

I'm fine. Since I started therapy, better. But it's all been very rare. I always say I took a train and I never returned to normal life. I left Operation Triunfti in the context of a global pandemic. It's been crazy and I'm still landing my body.

Later we talked about Operation Triumph. After the Sinapsis presentation tour was over, a couple of weeks later the Weird Dancing tour kicked off.

I'm very happy. If I tell him the truth, the idea was to pull the disc out first and then spin. But all of a sudden, they started calling from different places, and in the end, we decided to do more concerts. We've been onstage before Zahara and Lola Indigo, and the experience has been amazing.

You spoke on an Instagram post about the difficulties you had in organizing several concerts. Why?

Yes. For example, we wanted to do a concert in Pamplona, because for us it is a house. The only possibility for 500 people to enter a place was in the Citadel and the difficulties to make a concert there were humble. Space to stop is not cost-effective. When I talked to my colleagues, they told me they preferred to do the concert and not charge. I knew I was going to lose money, but I wanted to sing in Pamplona, inviting my friends. And we did. But we got a big slap. In the end, more than 500 people entered and I lost 2,000 euros. It can only do so once.

What are direct to you?

Adrenaline. Revenge of the N. It's weird, but I live them as the revenge that Outstanding Girl takes Maialen. And that brings me a lot of adrenaline. I feel lucky.

At the age of 15, he wrote his first song.

Yes, I called him With his eyes closed. I would be 14 or 15 years old. When we introduced Chica Excelalto we made a kind of mix with my first songs and it is available on Youtube.

How do you remember your childhood?

Well, I felt different ... I remember that my friends wanted to play something and I preferred to be alone. Or when they made groups to make a game, I always had the last one; normal, everything gave me laziness. I didn't feel completely comfortable, in general. And what I liked the most was going home and inventing stories with Pocahontas' wrist. I wanted to always be at home.

Have you felt those sensations in the future?

The truth is, a little yes. I have a lot of friends, but the ones I have are friends forever. I have deep relationships, but I'm not sociable. I squeeze often...

What place has music had to manage these emotions?

In fact, lately, I've talked to my psychologist about this. And I've come to the conclusion that, as I left space for creativity with Pocahontas in Tikitan, when I grew up, I replaced it with music. At least I feel the same thing. Creativity has been the guiding thread of my life: the world I don't like, so I invent alternatives.

When you have times of crisis as a creator, what helps you?

I have been through the last crisis recently. Except for Basandere, in one year I was not able to finish a song. I started several, but I left them unfinished. At the time, I called Diego, from the Twenty-One group, and asked him to give him classes of harmony and piano. When I have a crisis, I find it impossible to search elsewhere and that has helped me a great deal. Suddenly another instrument has been taken and there have been many interesting things.

You're a worker and an obstinate, that will help you, too.

The worst thing is that until recently I have not been aware that I was so hardworking! My psychologist has made me see. At the ikastola, I learned only to draw the edges, so I had a reputation for disaster. Of course, because I wasn't interested in studying. And I've thought for a long time that it was a wind-driven role. I am clear now that I am not. I'm a worker and a long-term worker, totally.

Have you felt protected all this time?

The truth is terrible. Both with the people around me before Operation Triumph, and with the people I've met later. She's being pretty.

Let's go back to Operation Triumph. If you had to describe this experience through three feelings, what would you choose?

On the one hand, adolescence: I started working when I was young and suddenly returned to that time when I entered the session, woke up and our only responsibility was to make music, we found the food on the table. On the other hand, Surrealism: I have lived the experience that lives from very few and many times I have had the feeling of having been in a film. And finally, the discomfort: making versions is not my natural habitat, I also had to dance, with a clothes of chance and a makeup that I didn’t feel identified with myself… And the latter for me was the worst, because I don’t care what the judge said.

On the contrary, this is usually the main concern of the participants, right?

Yes, but it seemed to me the same. If you were to appreciate the songs I've created, I'd surely care. But I knew that the session was not going to go down that road, so I felt indifferent.

You have often claimed that you do what you want. To what extent is this compatible with the limitations and standards of Operation Triunfo?

Well, I don't think there are so many rules. You have to respect schedules, classes and there is a defined organization. But I love that. In this sense, it is outstanding. Then it's true, for example, that when I was told they were going to produce Oxytocin, I got a lot of questions all of a sudden. When? How? So I talked to them and the answer was excellent: if I wanted it, it would be done alone.

But do you enter the session through a contract, no?

Yes, and the truth is, they had always told me that there are many limitations on television. But honestly, I've done what I wanted to do. Then I was very excited to play with a direct band, and they gave it to me. Yeah, when they named me, I wanted to sing a song of mine, and that didn't leave me. That did offend me and I have a bit of hate [ridiculous]. But everything else has been excellent. It has also been made clear from the outside that I have always done what I wanted.

Do you think Operation Triumph is stigmatized?

Yes, more than one asked me, for example, if they regulated what I was going to say. And I always say the same thing. Do you believe that if I limit myself to what I have to say, I will have all the barbarity that I launched? In the meals the topic of tauromaquia came out, and I criticized it. What was the debate about intersectional feminism? I always talked about what I thought...

What was Operation Triumph for you?

A big surprise. I went to the casting, and as tests were going on there, it was clear that it was not my place. And all of a sudden, at the end, to the gala 0… “Amatxo maitea, what do I do inside?”, I wondered… On the other hand, it has been a great opportunity to learn. I knew how I made music and what I liked. I'm so stubborn that it's hard for me to go out and open up. And in that sense, I've learned a lot.

What exactly do you mean?

To give you an example: I [Operating Member Triumph] think it's the opposite of my profile. I thought I was a person who wouldn't join me at all, and all of a sudden we've had a huge connection. This has helped me to have more prospects.

This year Operation Triumph is twenty years old. A documentary on the first edition was published. Many of the participants talked openly about mental health, revealing the emotionally shaken caused by the session. How did you experience it?

Well, I remember I woke up in the morning and I didn't know where I was. In addition, when we had to leave the academy through confinement, I moved home and it was a paranoia. Awesome.

How have you managed it?

I started studying psychology, and I remember a learned theory that showed that when they taught something to rats that were inside a cage, and suddenly they changed their cage, those things changed. And I also felt the need to change cage to reset. I needed to start studying who I was. Apart from that, therapy is being imperative to me: I have recently begun to realize that there is no separation between those two lives. For a long time I have had the feeling of dying and resurrecting.

You chose Madrid as a place of residence to change the cage. How has the city taken you?

Great. I came out of my realm of well-being, in a big city. This is nobody's city and everyone's city. I've met weird, lost people like me, and I've certainly felt identified.

Because before you got to the program, you didn't live with the music, right?

Before I entered Operation Triunfo, I was a young woman who was dedicated to cleaning or caring for children, and on weekends I was moving from there to take the guitar and earn money. When I left the television show, I had a big crisis of identidad.Era the head of a self-contained project, and I clearly saw that I needed time to decide how I wanted to do things: I started meeting a lot of people, I was invited to others… The music industry is like the law of the jungle, and I needed to find an intermediate point to survive in the music industry. It was tremendously scourged. I've started to learn how to say no and make my proposals. If someone doesn't like it, I'm sorry.

What is the key to this?

I haven't found it yet. What’s more, I don’t know how I’m going to pay the rent within five months. At the moment, I live with three more people in Alcalá de Henares. Well, people are surprised when I tell them I don’t have money… My primary responsibility is to take care of team members. So, step by step. But yes, for the moment I am kamikazea and I try not to lose the principles along the way. What I don't know is whether that's sustainable or not. Because I still don’t have a fixed place in the industry… What I have is the impact you have when you leave Operation Triumphant, and that’s a chimera. I'm working to make that chimera a reality. But I still don't know if I'm going to get it.

The program is twenty years old this year and most of the editions have been made on Spanish public television. On the contrary, until a couple of years ago no songs were known in Galician, Catalan or Basque. What do you think?

Well, it was time! So Ane [program participant] and for me it was a great surprise and an honor to sing in Euskera. We are very concerned, yes, with the malaria we have the Basques [ridiculous]. But the illusion was huge. It was too late, yes, but the important thing is that they have done so.

You always reclaim your band. Living now in Madrid, how do you take you?

In a single year I have travelled 30 thousand kilometres by car, specifically in a Mazda 3 of 2005. Next to the jokes, they have my voice recorded and rehearsed twice a week. I go once a month, and sometimes I stay for a week and we do intensive. In addition, when I have direct, Murphy [the dog] stays in my parents' house, so we adapt.

The pandemic has punished the weakest. On the contrary, its flowering is occurring at the blackest moment in culture.

Totally. Professionally, I've lived the best time while all the artists around me are living the worst -- it's a paranoia.

Political leaders have made the biggest cuts in culture. What do you think?

Well, I think creators have shown that culture was safe. I have always said: I am very proud of my friends in the profession, because we have done very well. Now you have to turn it around, the workers in the halls, the light and sound technicians, the photographers… it is a huge industry and the recovery is going to be tough.