The interrelationship of labour market and pension reforms is logical insofar as we have an employment-based public system. It is also necessary to do so jointly, because the current situation is, in particular, behind the reality of the labour market. And thirdly, if it comes to ensuring decent pensions, it is good to talk about contributions.

If the three things come from the left-wing government of the Spanish State, which govern alongside those who in the 2008 crisis massively demanded radical change, and have demonstrated that they are capable of reaching agreements with the left sovereigns, it would not be excessive to think that there is a possibility of breaking the long line of neoliberal reforms. At the moment, no.

The diagnoses and measures have been concluded on the basis of the debate established by the capital: to question the viability of the public system and to make attempts to improve the sources of funding sterile without altering the labour market, in order to maintain the existing as much as possible. And, of course, the demographic crisis is the reason why any restrictions are justified.

It has not been discussed about the structural errors of pension and labour systems, including employment as a source of rights, as a source of exclusion for women for ever, for the new generations for a long time, for immigrants for ever... No attempt has been made to eliminate the reforms that social law has left under the neoliberal budgets. Nor do we make political decisions that open the doors of the institutions to real alternatives.

If it is not decided to suspend the reforms undertaken in the 1980s, it is fuelling a path that today is bad and worse. He once told me that it's knowing how to decide between politics, bad and worse, someone with a lot of institutional experience. I didn't respond to the all-powerful man, who is a powerful right-wing right-handed man. What for? But I think we need to respond to politicians who say that politics is a means of making decisions to change people's lives.