Let's start with music.

Music has always been the strongest branch of my life, my life has been dedicated to music, hence other projects have emerged. I decided to start playing the clarinet as a kid, I don't know why. My parents told me that I suddenly told them I wanted to play the clarinet. I started in music school and it's OK, but I wanted more wood. So I went into the conservatory. There was a lot of wood there, but you couldn't decide anything, and in music school everything that was in my hands.

What to learn, what not to learn…

That's it. At the conservatory, at the beginning of the course, I was told I had to play three works. I didn't want to play, but the ones I wanted weren't on the resume. So I made a deal with the professor and he told me that he could give me what I wanted, but I wouldn't take it for granted.

And what?

That's how I went for two years, until I was kicked out of the conservatory. I went to the street, but as I was walking around, I was very comfortable. Those who have taken the race with me have the title, but have never touched, have not reused the instrument, and I, however, have no title, but I have touched a lot: at that time I was in the Sopela band (where I got my first salaries), then I went to a pop rock group called E Gene… The clarinet has given me a lot.

You started studying physics by the clarinet, right?

Yeah, because he was a jerk, he wanted to make clarinets, and for that he had to know acoustics, and physics to know acoustics.

But he didn't.

I've always loved physics, not just acoustics. But the early years are always very generic, you get a lot of math, a lot of chemistry -- physics was almost a minority. So in the early years, I got a little tough. As I moved forward, I started with other subjects, and I felt comfortable. But the point was that I couldn't apply it anywhere. I realized I would know how to talk about what's being talked about, but I didn't know how to do anything, and I need to do things, not talk, I get bored.

And you left it.

Yes, however, before I quit, I discovered electronics. And I saw how cheap it was, I saw that I could make a bunch of synthesizers, microphones… To make a clarinet, I needed a bunch of money, and suddenly I could make a synth at a very low price, which seemed like a clarinet!

In fact, many people will meet you through electronic music, as a member of the DJ’s Tea Party group.

That was the next step. I started discovering electronics, pedaling, tunneling synthesizers … So I started to like the world of electronic music a little bit more, because until then it was quite pure, it seemed to me that the music made with the computer was not music, but I broke all those stereotypes and I started to really like it. And I was lucky, because I found Eva Gutierrez on the road, who's been with me at Las Tea Party, and I've been with Eva, I don't know how many years.

Now you're resting, aren't you?

Yes, we have extended the rest. For the first time we played a stage in Soraluze, in 2010, and we are in 2019. In the meantime, we had never taken a holiday in quotation marks. We're very happy because we've had the opportunity to learn a lot through the Las Tea Partys project, we've been autonomous, we've learned to make invoices and things like that, we've been as a DJ at the two best nightclubs in Bilbao, and there we've learned how to organize those night hours, how they affect you. On the other hand, we've also been at festivals: We've played in Euskal Herria and we've been out of here, and that experience, on the one hand, is surreal and brings us a lot of laughter, and on the other hand, we've learned a lot by doing.

But ...

But we needed a break and we're very comfortable. We have been putting music together, but not with that responsibility that you have under the name of Tea Partys, because in the end it has come to have a great responsibility and, from a psychological point of view, it has a great demand. And even more so in digital identity. Being connected all the time, being online, acting… Today’s artists don’t just have to make music, they have to do a thousand more things, and that’s what made us tired the most. Now, for example, we have all the paralyzed social media, and for us it's been a real calmness, and we've also noticed a little bit in the everyday lives of our lives. We will see how to return, for the moment we have not thought much about it. We decided to stay for a while, because it was our project and we wanted to do it at ease. There are other things imposed, so we are not going to impose more on ourselves.

You mentioned digital identity. If I'm not mistaken, he did a master's degree in data management. What is the situation like?

Currently, the sale of data is immediate. They're very much traded with our data. You've searched for something on a page and an ad related to what you've searched for appears on the next page. This is because the search engine has sold your data. And that's what we've known so far, that is, I look for it and it appears to me. But you've searched, you've done an action. Now they do it via cell phone, with pictures, with microphones. The mobile phone is a very smart device, with lots of sensors and things, and we, by lowering the apps, consent to a lot of conditions, without reading them, and we allow all of those things to be taken.

I recently heard that the robot vacuum cleaner roomba scans the plane of your house and sells that plane to a lot of people, from both Google and Ikea, and that's why Ikea sends you an ad for a piece of furniture that comes to your measure, because it knows where you can put it, because the roomba has recorded it. Who could think that roomba is recording and sending the map of your house and that she knows when you put a new piece of furniture and where? Well, that's right. The world of data management is very unknown to people, we don't have education on these issues, and also everything is very new. So I think it's necessary to make minimal disclosure, to manage our digital data well, and to start taking care of privacy.

How?

It's a small thing, but webcam always has to go down. And then, I would say you have to think or choose, like when we do other things. In the field of food, for example, we take sustainability into account, and when you're going to eat a pintxo, you're going to take it without meat, or at least you know you can choose. The same thing when it comes to publishing: for example, don't post a photo if it's very close to your home, or don't put the location. So the machine will know, but not all of its contacts. In the end, the digital world is like the physical world, and people don't go to the plaza and scream at everything they've done, while in the digital world square we're getting everything in. Everyone has to decide what the venue is, what the plaza is and what the room is, because in the digital world we have to have our own room, to manage the data of Osakidetza, to manage the transfers we make... Then we have to choose a place, whether it's Facebook or Google, and then be with friends, like Whatsapp. But know it's a room, a plaza and a society. Enter the filter and start deciding which forum you mean some things or where you want to show all your accounts and where you don't.

You defend open source and free technology. I think it is quite clear why
it is good that technology is open, but sometimes it seems that these possibilities, even if available, are far from the “simplest people”. What do you think?

We don't have the habit of creating and making our tools. In Latin America, for example, they generate a lot of things, a lot of day-to-day applications, and here, instead, we're very consumerist, what we do is pick up, buy and dot. More in the world of technology, we have fears and limitations. When buying clothes, for example, we take into account where it comes from; in terms of technology, we buy anything, we don’t care who did it, what has happened to be able to do that… In any case, the Foundation puntu.eus has done the Kaixo project, and I want to mention, because I’m very happy. Through this project, all these topics will be worked on in schools, and we have participated in the elaboration of the content. It's in video format and can be seen by anyone. I am happy, on the one hand, because the Foundation puntu.eus wants a creative Basque society, and not just a consumer. The same thing happens on the Internet, we consume a lot and we do not believe it in Euskera, and in this project it will be put into value and some skills will be taught to turn young people into creators, and digital identity will be worked out. As has been said before, technology and the Internet have entered very quickly, social networks have entered very quickly, and data management and privacy have changed a lot. So, just as we learn a language or money, we have to teach about digital identity. I'm very happy because in Euskal Herria, these kinds of projects are also emerging.

You’ve also participated in another project that brings together technology and education: Inspire. What is it?

It's a project that we created when I was in Deusto. I don't know if you know it, but in science and technology careers, the number of girls is very low and it's going down a lot. About 40 years ago, almost 44 percent of girls were girls and now 11 percent were girls. We're not moving forward, we're going back. The trend is increasing, in many industries there are only men and it is very dangerous, because in the world not only can solutions be found from the point of view of men. So, Inspira is a six-hour course. Women technologists give and work stereotypes, professions, referents… In fact, the referents of women scientists are one hundred years ago.

Marie Curie.

That's it. And it's OK, but it came to life. A woman has to give life to be in science, she has to be the best, she has to win a Nobel … Through inspiration we have wanted to knock down those referents, show some closer, some “more common” things.

For example?

The executive director of Youtube is the woman.

Are you satisfied with the outcome of the project?

I am very happy. This year has been celebrated for the third year in a row, and this year, for the first time, the boys have also joined. So far, the students were getting apart, and the girls themselves asked to stay that way, because when they're all together they change roles and when they're separated, the girls are empowering a lot, the relationships are very different, and they asked, please, you keep it. But as the girls worked, the boys did anything, and we didn't want that either, and the boys also have to work, they also have stereotypes and they're very marked. So, this year, they're also offering a way for them. On the other hand,
the project began in Deusto three years ago, but today it is developed in Araba, Bizkaia and Gipuzkoa and now it begins in Madrid and Catalonia. Telefónica has also won a prize in Spain. It's terrible to me, because the content I created is enormous to know that it works and it works well.