In the case of burning photos of the king, the Strasbourg Court has just condemned Spain for violating its freedom of expression. What do you think? The
news is a joy for young people who in 2007 had to pay bail to avoid jail time. And, of course, it has become clear, once again, that by ideas Madrid is beating the people. Europe has supported Catalonia and made it clear that there is no room for freedom of expression in the Spanish state.

For defendants in Spain is the key to justice in Europe?
Well, we don't have more. It is clear that justice is not going to be done in Spain and we are therefore obliged to go to European Justice. The problem is that Strasbourg should be quicker to respond. It is regrettable and incomprehensible, for example, that the judgment of young people condemned for burning the king’s image has arrived nine years late. The same is true of my case, I know that European justice is going to be right, the crimes of alluding to terrorism and of slander against the monarchy are only in Spain. But surely that sentence will come within a decade, when I have served my sentence.

Why have you refused to ask for pardon?First,
because I think I have done nothing wrong, pardon is characteristic of confessing guilt. My job and hobby is to write songs, and I've only made use of freedom of expression and creative rights. On the other hand, for pardon it would be essential to argue that in Spain there is no violation of freedom of expression. It is clear that I am not prepared to say so, and I was therefore clear from the outset that I had ruled out the pardon.

At the moment, they have lodged an appeal against the judgment of the TC. What is the legal process now?
I was refused the appeal before the Supreme Court and we have now brought it before the Constitutional Court. It seems that it takes about a year to respond to this process. In any case, I have little hope of the Spanish courts, so if they also reject this appeal, we will go to Europe.

Is it possible that these days he receives a prison order?
Yes, they usually bring the order one month after the judgment was notified. It's already been three weeks. There are several scenarios. If the Supreme Court agreed to bring my appeal to trial, the prison order would be suspended at least until the resolution arrives. But I have a suspicion that, if there is no response to the appeal, I will have to manage from jail the new chapters of the judicial process.

How have these days been like, knowing that they will lock you up?
These are days of pressure. The context is singular and strange. I'm going to all the places that call me for talks, concerts and interviews. Because I think it is essential to see and know at first hand most people as much as possible the extent of injustice. I'm a normal person, I'm a worker, and I'm undergoing the system's oppression since I turned 18. I want to strongly insinuate that today I am the victim in the four winds, but tomorrow you can be you.

You've interrupted your daily routine to immerse yourself in this quick campaign for freedom of speech.
It's strange, because at this moment when I know they're going to lock me up, I'm doing, for the first time, the work I like. So far, I was working in a fruit cooperative. Medically I have abandoned her because of the explosion that has caused my case, at least in these weeks before my incarceration, to do everything in my hand.

When and how did you start raping?
My first model was launched in 2009, when I was 16 years old. For me, Rap is a tool for transforming society. Well, for me and for all of us who are immersed in this genre: we cannot forget that this kind of music was born in a context in which African-Americans were murdered to denounce the American Police and State forces. In our own country, repression of the people here also prevails, and for me it has been essential, since I was young, to reject that denunciation through music.

What is the health of freedom of expression today?
Freedom of expression is the debate that should be faced by a sufficiently mature democratic society. It is clear that Spain is neither democratic nor an adult. Therefore, it violates freedom of expression when we insult sufficiently protected oppressors. The main problem is that they equate insults to the powerful with insults to LGBTI and victims of racism who are objectively excluded from society.

There are people who believe that their case is taken from the measure, but who at the same time consider it inappropriate for their songs to repeatedly mention the murders of ETA. What would you say to him? You can make eleven readings
of my songs based on context. I've always been clear that sensitivity has a lot of weight. However, if we were to live in Syria, the crime of the uprising of terrorism would be debatable. But here and now there are no armed groups, so we use music simply as a complaint. It would be different if we published that content in a pamphlet or in the media. Clearly, I have never wanted to kill ETA. It is absurd to set those limits.

Where do you think the boundary is between the crime of hatred and the violation of freedom of expression?The crime
of hatred is inherent in the promotion of the exclusion of groups at social risk. Freedom of expression, on the other hand, should ensure that everyone speaks on the subject they want, provided that it does not harm the excluded groups. It is clear that those who insult in my songs have a lot of support in this oppressive system.

This month you have put aside the road of self-censorship and published a new album. What is the main objective of this work?
Serve as an example to those who, through the repression of the Spanish State, have fallen into the grip of self-care. Paul Hasel and I are merely sent: they are using our work to spread the culture of fear in society. Faced with this situation, many artists take the path of self-censorship and so my challenge has been to disobey these days, even if they are imputed. I insist, because I defend freedom of expression. Do you want to make me quiet? Well, with a new album, I'm going to sing harder.

Did you ever think you would be imprisoned for your songs?
By no means. The fact is that the crimes of slander and allusion of terrorism against the monarchy increased in 2011 in the Spanish Penal Code and I started raping in 2009. The first time Paul Hasel was arrested, I realized that I, too, could be in danger.

Have you ever been afraid?
Of course, and now I'm also afraid. But honestly, the greatest fear was to clash with the silence of my people. My mother told me more than once that I didn't go down this road, because society will forget me. It is clear that I have not yet entered prison and, therefore, I do not know how the grass-roots movement will respond. But so far I have received immense support.

Operation Spider, the puppeteers, Alfredo Ramirez, the book Fariña, Pablo Hasel, you... Given the seriousness of what is happening, has society been sufficiently organized?
I would dare to say yes, because I am infinitely grateful. And most importantly, a lot of people who weren't organized are taking part in mobilizations, because they've realized the oppression of collective rights. Mine is not an isolated fact. It is time to take a firm blow on the table and to break what is being done from Madrid. Ten years ago, no one would have imagined that musicians or Jordia were imprisoned and some politicians were exiled. Frankly, I don't even want to imagine what you're going to be able to do in a decade or so if society doesn't respond now. As a people, a strong response is needed.

The repression, the latest survey released last week, reveals that Citizens and pp will win the elections in Spain and that Citizens and Citizens will vote against. How is that possible?
Winning votes is very easy because they have media control: they have campaigned in their favour and, by the way, demonizes the oppressed peoples. Television and radio are being followed by many people and, as at all times from there they are promoting the cleanliness of the faces of the powerful and bombing the peoples and cultures of Spain, people believe in it. As if it were not enough, the tools most used by leftist parties that want to change the system are Twitter and the network. The extreme right, on the contrary, invades the streets, at least in Mallorca. I guess that doesn't help them either.

You live one day a day. If you were locked up tomorrow, what message would you like to convey?
Enough! The time has come to put an end to the 78 regime. And that's not just the responsibility of those of us who engage in culture. The time has come to break with all the injustices that prevail in society: the pensioners are completely marginalised, the workers are getting worse and worse, we are running out of decent housing... We are immersed in the fight for freedom of expression, but it is essential that the citizens go out into the streets, that each group claim their own and transform the system.

Are you optimistic? Will we see the results of this struggle? The
oppressive instrument of the state is so strong… it is difficult to be optimistic. We have seen this in Catalonia, which was even able to turn the referendum upside down, using the police forces against society. We have four detainees without trial, 700 kilometres from home, and three more in exile. Surely the consequences of this struggle will not be lived by me, perhaps my children or nephews. As one said, we will not be the ones who get the sea, but we will face the storm.