He has participated in the Teatre Llliure de Gràcia theatre. A play that denounces repression. How did it go?
I’ve been an alternative actor who signed up in a casting to bring Txell Bonet to life through the play ‘En procés’. I'm able to go up on a stage and make that distribution, so I've completely differentiated it from my reality. I've long learned that theater is a fiction to tell a truth, that actors are a channel on stage. I wanted the public to see a statement, but despite trying, it's been difficult for people not to see Txell Bonet inside of me.

Although many people have known you for being a partner of Jordi Cuixart, you have a long and rich career behind you.
Yes, without realizing it, I've become someone's wife. I take him calmly, because I am not afraid to tie him to Cuixart. I have no personality loss. What is more, I think it is normal, and the situation is so exceptional that I am going to leave the skin, not only for the political prisoners to be released, but also because I want the application of Article 155 to be put to an end. Right now, I appear in the media because I'm experiencing crackdown on my skin, but this is another stage of my struggle forever. Fortunately, Cuixart and I, from respect and support, have always helped each other's roads.

On the night of October 16, Catalonia was overshadowed when Carmen Lamela decided to imprison Jordia.
I spent the day in front of the television, following the news. I must confess that like all those who went through the court, like Trapero, were released with precautionary measures, I thought Jordia would also go home. Anyway, I prepared myself because I could hit a blow and I had to be strong. After 22:00, a few minutes after I heard the news, I went out to the balcony to record the neighborhood's pots. The Finns who were in the tourist apartment next door asked me what was going on. I didn't dare to confess that my husband had just been locked up, and I told them that the citizens were against the Spanish state. Well, at the time the decision didn't surprise me, the amazing thing is that I'm still in prison after four months.

Cuixart has been in prison for more than 140 days. How are you?
We are strong, we are complete, we know that if we stand still we will not be able to change things. Therefore, assuming that a door is to be opened, I am constantly mobilising. Emotionally there is a special connection between Jordi and I that helps keep fighting the context. That's a source of energy for me. But the reality is very harsh, especially because of isolation. The situation is dragging on and no one will give us back the theft of our son's first year. We are sacrificing and I hope that we will not do it at all.

You have a 10-month-old son. How has incarceration affected you in this regard?
I try not to throw pessimistic sensations. The passages that happen to us in life are not in our hands, but in our hands is the way to deal with them. Maybe the family next to us doesn't have physical dispersion, but they're far away because the cell phone is looking at them. Perhaps our context serves to denounce and suffer on our skin the dispersion that they have suffered for a long time in Euskal Herria. Even when penalties are motivated, and given that prison is a tool of another century, families must be made easier. Well, I don't want my son to become an unknown father. And that this cruelty is maintained with encouragement for twenty weeks, does not remove the natural cruelty of the situation.

Every weekend you head to Soto del Real prison.
My son has just turned 10 months, and he's been on his back for 25,000 kilometers. It is the waste of time, money and energy that I would devote to any other cause. The image we have of prison does not correspond to that of his day to day. The reality is much worse. I have recommended that more than one visit the prisons of Estremera or Soto del Real: the displacement and the stay in prison changes the image they have of the prison. It's an interesting exercise.

On the eve of the elections on 21 December, more than one believed that the prisoners were to be released. Instead, the months go by and there's no news.
We have gone through many situations, as time goes by, the context is more difficult. After the hardships of 1 October, we believed that Jordi’s arrest was another consequence of the problem of controlling the borders of the rule of law, but, of course, the situation was going to calm down. This reading is complicated as the months go by: it is clear that it is falling far from calm. But we cannot lose hope.

Last week the Barcelona City Council organised an act of denouncing the dispersal and rapprochement of political prisoners to Spain a.La building bridges is essential and I see
it perfectly, because it has very varied nuances. On the one hand, 29 of the 41 councillors denounced pre-trial detention, and together with other union representatives and associations called for the rapprochement of political prisoners. This event shows that things are not always black or white, and that each one works, within its possibilities, to contribute its bit of sand. Maybe some of you don't have a yellow ribbon, but you write about it, like Jordi Évole. There is no single way to help.

The PSC, for its part, has not supported the request of the city council. What do you think?
I have a giant empathy capability to put myself on each other's skin, and I'd surely like to put others back and forth in my skin. But, as far as the CSP decision is concerned, I would say that they did not feel comfortable with the proposal made by Barcelona in Comú. We must not forget that a few months ago Colau suspended the government pact with the PSC for supporting Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution. However, I am optimistic, you may feel comfortable in the future if that complaint is put forward by an independent association. They themselves have recognised that pre-trial detention is disproportionate and I am sure they will find another way of denouncing it.

On more than one occasion he has stressed the importance of building bridges.
Because we're willing to live together. If Catalonia were independent, we should be well with our neighbours, because it is essential that we be strong. The truth is a broken mirror and the solution is always halfway. We do not want a war on the side, extreme attitudes do not help. The decisions agreed upon are therefore urgent.

As a journalist, what do you think of the ongoing monitoring of Catalonia here and there?
I have not followed the media in Spain, I have followed more than has been done at international level. Indeed, Jordi has only had access to Spanish television channels in prison, and on more than one occasion he told me that the wrong stories are the protagonists. A few days ago I was scared when Mrs Cospedal criticised TV3 before Eduardo Inda, the owner of the most misleading media in Spain. It is worrying.

What is the horizon of the Catalan context?
Well, the horizon is something you never get… David Fernandez, who likes to quote the phrases of others, once said, “we want democracy to reach independence and now we want independence to reach democracy.” If someone thinks that if Catalonia becomes independent everything is over, it is wrong. What happens to couples who come tired of preparing marriage will happen to them: then the work of learning to live together will begin. We have great challenges. We are now facing repression, but we have a lot to change in substance. We must manage the aggressive immigration that has taken place as a result of an inadequate distribution of wealth and, although it is necessary to accept immigrants, we must work to avoid unstable governments that dominate today in the countries of origin. Or as far as the environment is concerned, for example, who knows, if in 10 years' time we will not have unjustly imprisoned political prisoners, but perhaps we are breaking our nose by water or energy, or because the desert has caught half of Spain.

What should the independent Catalan Republic necessarily be?
What is about to come is very worrying. The sense of community and state will be indispensable. I believe in the power of the citizens. The important thing is for people to make it possible, on 1 October, for that attitude to be maintained. That is richer than the independence of eleven countries. It may take a few years for us to rebalance a system that is completely depraved, but that's the key.