These are crazy months in Catalonia. How are you?
Very happy. There is nothing more uncomfortable than inconsistency. And the last two months have been turbulent, precisely because I was deciding whether or not I had coherence in an internal search. But I have been proud of the decision I have taken, I have acted consistently. I rested.

You resigned early in November. Why?
For various reasons. To begin with, the problem began organically, because in Podem Catalunya we understood that the context did not fit with the presentation on the lists of Catalunya in Comú. Above all, we did not share the way in which the political tool was being structured. This was followed by political discrepancy. In particular, on the eve of the referendum convened by the Generalitat of Catalonia, after asking the bases of Podemos what our position should be. I still remember what Pablo Echenique and Pablo Iglesias said a few minutes after the press conference to announce the decision of the bases: if they were Catalans, they would not have participated in the consultation. Finally, of course, after the application of Article 155, after Podemos stated that it would be appropriate to start talks with all the political parties, Podemos intervened in Catalonia. Then I clearly saw that that was not with me.

Was it the Catalan context that triggered the crisis between Churches and you?
Of course. In Catalonia, by distributing between the independentists and those who are not, the Regime of 78 endorsed it. And on October 1 and 3, it became clear that among the thousands of people who made the streets vibrate were the independentists and the non-independentists. I dare say that on 1 October it had more influence on the status quo than on the demands for independence.

There are those who believe, however, that the solidarity of those days was broken as a result of the declaration of independence. Do you agree?
It is well known that I have been very critical of the DUI. But the truth is that I find it inappropriate to say that the declaration of independence has not served anything. The proclamation of independence has undoubtedly shaken the state structures that we had to sow some time ago. That is why I find it a terrible mistake for Catalonia in Comu to equate Article 155 with the DUI. What's more, while people are in detention. On 1 October it became clear that the future of Catalonia is on the road to solidarity. And if we have to disobey, we will.

You have created the Som Alternative platform together with the other colleagues who left office. What is your goal?
I decided to leave my office because I didn't want to be a puppet who complied with Madrid's orders. And when I did, I realized that, like me, there were more dissatisfied people. We have created Som Alternative with the intention of collecting our contribution.

You said that the elections on 21 December are exempt. What will happen? These
elections are abnormal, and those who do not accept it meet the objective of the People’s Party. That is why I believe that many people who are not independent will vote in favour of independence.

Will you do it too? On more than one occasion you said that you are not a pro-independence player.
Well, I've never been bothered by the independentists. I've never had the will to avoid independence, simply, I don't care. It is clear to me today that the only way to break the 78 regime will be to vote for the independence parties in Catalonia. Independence has become a tool for breaking up and we will never have such an ally.

The road map of the independence parties has been defeated, has it not?
That's the key. It is known that in the Chamber that we have here next door, I have criticised more than once the Junts pel Yes roadmap. Independence must reflect, as it is doing. But, well! Self-criticism is a duty of all, including Catalonia in Comú. It has been shown that if your proposal is to hold a referendum agreed at some point, there is no guarantee that it will be held.

You also voted in favour of the agreed referendum, until recently. What has changed your point of view?
The context was completely different. What happened on 1 October has changed everything. We must not forget that when I arrived in Parliament we were in the chapter before the elections in the Spanish Courts and there was an open door to enable the referendum agreed there. It was a difficult challenge, but at least it was on the horizon. Now the context is another, because these two years have served to make visible the blocking structure of the Rajoy Government. Among other things, that is why the solidarity we are proposing is more important than ever. In the roadmap of Junts pel Yes it has become clear that the independentists cannot alone, and we cannot. Catalonia has no other solution than solidarity.

Through Som Alternative, you opted to create a front for independence parties. Is it a failure for parties to appear on different lists in these elections?
More than a failure, I would say it is a pity. But Mariano Rajoy has done everything in his power to ensure that there is no solidarity front and we have had no time at all. It may seem like an excuse, but it's a reality. It must be borne in mind that the call for elections is the responsibility of the President of the Generalitat, and Rajoy has called on the votes to give him time. It is, in essence, a further consequence of the slap in Article 155.

Is it true that being possible to appear on the CUP list he has dismissed it because he is not in the top positions?
No, this option has never been on the table. When elections were convened, it is true that we spoke with Procés Constituent, CUP and ERC. Our challenge was to present ourselves together. But, I insist, if Rajoy has done something right, that has been to call elections quickly. We have not had enough time to speak properly about the possibility of forming coalitions.

Therefore, have you never planned to participate in the ERC or CUP lists?
The presentation on the Cup lists was impossible. They have a parliamentary limit, and that makes things very easy: if your Members do not repeat, how will a representative who is not yours repeat? Well, all this time I've been asked several times whether I'd show up on the lists and the newspaper library is there, I've always said no. I only committed myself to a broad political agreement.

He has confirmed that he will not support the Catalunya En Comú campaign. Do you feel closer to the CUP or ERC?
The truth is, yes. Well, the ideological closeness of Catalunya In Comú and the CUP comes from far away, and I, too, have always felt close. And of course! We're also seeing that trend in the campaign. The CUP and ERC are certainly the ones that do the most damage to the Article 155 bloc in Catalonia. And, of course, I did not mention the list of Junts per Catalunya, because that political space seems distant to me.

Do you still believe in the transformation of Spain?
That has been my bet so far, but the truth is that I now doubt what has happened in Catalonia and the strategy of municipalities in favour of change. What will we do to damage the roof that marks the Montoro Law? Organizing a meeting between Ada Colau, Manuela Carmena, Xulio Ferreiro and the company? Well, we can do it, and you'll probably incarcerate everybody. But are we willing to risk? Is it worth doing it? If not, what will we do then?

Will the Spanish Government approve the outcome of the elections on 21 December?
No, and that is why it is imperative that independence parties win. Not to be closer to independence, but to expose Mariano Rajoy. If the independence parties win, what will Rajoy say in Europe when Catalonia confirms its challenge and the elections are lost? I suspect that, following the repression we have suffered, many people will hit the table and vote for the independence parties. And if this happens, the argument used so often by the 155 bloc for independence to represent more than half of the citizens can be annulled. We must not forget that, just as independence has risen from 15% to 48%, it can also reach 55%.

Well, what are you going to do from 22 December?In addition to working on the Som Alternative project, I haven't worked too hard on the
theme of revolving doors, so I'm going to dedicate myself -- laughing -- to it.