The bird flu is there.

It's as common as our snoring. At the same time and in the same area there are several forms of avian influenza. However, in recent years there have been cases of very violent influenza associated with concentrated increases. These violent forms cannot grow in nature or in low-density crops, because the bird will die immediately and there is no possibility of spreading. However, in crops where the animals are overlapping, yes, genetically with very close and almost stiff birds. Birds and the flu have been around for millions of years, and small growths have also done so for thousands of years. How do these epidemics now appear? The change is that industrial agriculture is becoming more and more important, with more transport, because of concentration.

Diffused through transport.

In areas where there are ten thousand birds, we find a gigantic concentration of the virus. Delivered in nature because, even if it is buildings, the amount of air is ingested and expelled, you need to breathe and you need to extract the ammonia that is in the fertilizer. In addition, they are transported to slaughterhouses or fattening areas, whose fattened feathers extend by nature.

The answer is to kill birds.

When it comes to a violent plague, it is a practice that works normally. The problem today is that, despite the fact that a much wider system has been established, transport has not stopped. The disease has spread through the transport of sick birds.

And the death of ducks is imposed on you.

I'm in a preventative death place. They have killed millions of birds without addressing the real cause of the problem. We have fought this enormous melting pot.

The hardest thing is for house producers.

We are in the spotlight. However, we do not transport anything, the birds are bred, forgiven and killed in the house itself. That is why we must reject pre-emptive killings.

You have received massive support.

Last year we set up a think tank within the OECD on avian influenza. We already said that transportation was the leading cause of the epidemic. The industrialists were crazy because they knew it very well, but they kept it quiet. By stopping transport, the entire industrial sector falls. They are hypocritical because spring has come to us and that has reduced pollution.

The risk is that next winter will be the same.

That is what we say. We have to put an end to this extensive comedy and focus on the underlying problem, industrial growth and transport.

You want the alert database to be managed by the states.

It is in the hands of the inter-branch, made up of industrialists, and all the measures are necessary to destroy small producers. We have a safe complement system, we do not need these ultra-hygienist measures. The giant crops that have followed these measures are the first to be affected by the virus. This is obviously not the solution. It is very heavy economically and the procedure is heavy. Many desperate small producers leave their profession. It is unacceptable, in the knowledge that society is increasingly demanding this production model.

Do we have unemployment figures?

No, the ministry keeps them hidden. We don't know the data, we know it when it's unintentionally escaped. Last year we learned that two-thirds of industrial crops were contaminated.

Do you know the FDSEA trade union?

Of course.

What has been your trend in the last mobilization?

He presses the prefect to force him to die. However, the prefect, upon hearing us, had discovered the situation and sought a solution or a medium term. Within the Ministry of Agriculture, at the level of the Directorate-General for Food (DGAL), technocrats decide on elimination policy.

What is compensation like?

Here too, the industrialists lobbied to distribute compensation to their producers. By so much, this year some people said they would catch avian flu again, because they have incomes without work. However, house producers are not so helped.

What's the reason?

They have their lobbies on par. It's a relationship of strength that industrialists have, and we don't. That's why they discovered small producers. In addition, investments are increased with biosecurity measures.

In the end you have won the battle.

By our side there were people willing to stop the murder. We have been surprised, especially the second time. The day before night we knew that they would come at 6:30 and although the time to mobilize was not enough, we were more than the first time. The landes producers told us that “we have left prontos to kill birds, received us separately, scared us and we were not organized collectively. When he comes, we will show them resistance.” Victory has been an example.