A few years ago, there was a strong movement around post-porn, especially in the area of Barcelona. What is postporno?

I arrived in Barcelona in 2003 and that same year Post Op was created. In Barcelona, at that time, a number of meetings were being held, both institutional and self-managed. We reflected on identity problems and talked about queer policies, masculinities and other pornographies.

It is in this context that postporno is located. Some feminisms and people looked with critical eyes at mainstream porn, which perpetuates dozens of stereotypes about sex, gender and body normality and also sells a single truth about sex, regardless of diverse identities and practices. If desire is built, then it is important to generate other desires and imaginaries, incorporate other practices and identities so as not to strengthen the heteropatriarchal, capacitistic and capitalist society.

Now, women, the tranks, the pockets, the dawns, the invalids and the fat, we take the cameras and we govern our own representation.

The city has changed remarkably. What do you notice?

For many of us, Barcelona was a symbol of freedom, artistic expression, underground culture, raves and politics, but when we arrived there we could only hear the last resoplites of that dream. In a few years, our freedoms were drastically reduced, self-managed spaces were progressively closed and all cultural actions carried out outside institutionalized and controlled spaces were pursued. The city became a great amusement park for tourists, promoted a culture that could only be acquired through the issuance of credit cards and the approval of a new civic ordinance that prevented us from using public space. We are now back in a process of change, with Ada Colau as mayor, and I hope that Barcelona will become a habitable city again.

Back to Postporno, there was also a workshop in Arteleku, very important.

Yes, in 2008 the days Feminism Porno Punk were held in Arteleku. There we did our first post-porn workshop, and there we met many of our political allies, weaving deep nets with them. We believe it is important to create alliances through the body, through emanations, and to experience sexuality in order to make politics and for bodies to interact. The workshops generate effective changes: several people organize their groups and, over the years, many have told us that these workshops were a milestone in their vision of sexuality. When politics crosses the body through experience, then it clicks your head, and there's no turning back.

Why sexuality and porn are a fundamental battlefield?

Well, from our point of view, because porn is an ideology. Porn allows certain bodies and practices, while others are considered infamous and invisible. Today, pornography is increasingly coming online and I find it worrying to leave sex education in the hands of the main pornography. It is necessary to create a porn that shows other sexualities and bodies; a porn that considers the whole body as sexual, that takes into account all the senses and not just the genitals, and that teaches different practices.

How, when and for what did Post Op emerge?

It was created in 2003, after an orgy after the Postporno Marathon. At first, our objective was to transfer to the public space all those reflections on identities, sexuality and pornographic representation, as they often did not leave the institutional space, the social center or the festive environment. We made our own primary pornography tools: so we turned those tools and we surprised the viewer. We wanted to break down the dichotomies of sex and gender, and to do so, we performed performances and introduced disturbing and mutant beings into public space.

In your work, among other things, you resexualize public space.

Every day the audiovisual media bombards us about the body, binarism and sexuality, and it seems essential that we do not devour all this with naivety, so we have to create other visions before the normative discourse. For example, in ecosex/urbansex workshops, our objective is the sexualization of gardens and squares that, through the new civic ordinances, have become almost unusable. Why do we want a park if we can't step on the grass? Many post-porn practices have the advantage that from the outside they are not considered sexual practices, since in many occasions the gaze is very reduced and only that related to the genitals is considered sexual; then, when it is not, something confuses and disturbs the public, but they need a time to understand what they see and decide later if it is denounciable.

Over the years, how have your initiatives changed?

At first, we performed performances, but through that expression we could not reach many places, because they were far away or because we had no budget. In addition, we realized that sometimes the audience was left out: performances were spectacular, but we didn't know if the audience really understood what we were talking about.

So we started making post-pore videos and sending them to festivals and encounters, as well as doing our first body workshops. Through them, we invited participants to experience their sexuality as a game.

In some workshops we create new pornographic imaginaries, in others we are based on experience and the goal is to empower our bodies and interact with other bodies, not only through sight, but also through other senses. We use toys, prostheses and forgotten parts and try to establish alliances with bodies that are considered out of the ordinary: coarse people, tranches, with functional diversity, who have changed their body for some operation or disease…

In recent years, you have worked a lot with the collective of functional diversity.

It has been a fundamental alliance. We have long talked about bodies that do not respond to the parameters of body normality, but we mainly referred to the axes of oppression related to gender and sex and we did not take into account other axes of oppression such as capacity.

We believed that we had workshops open to everyone and, sometimes, we did not offer accessible spaces or adapted exercises. Of course, this has changed and is now an essential condition in our spaces and dynamics.

We were offered a post-porn workshop for the documentary Yes we fuck that was a milestone. It was an amazing experience, in this workshop we realized that there was no pick up toy and so the Pornortopedia project emerged: we designed sex toys, taking into account other interests, ways of feeling and moving.

That same year, at the Festival Mostra Marrana we dedicated a section to disabled post-porn and there we realized that there was a gap, that there was not much porn, made by people with functional diversity, from a perspective of empowerment. This is how Nexos emerged: it is a video created in collaboration between crypto and queer activists who wanted to work around the body.

What are you doing now?

We are still stuck in the Pornortedia. Majo Pulido is in A Coruña, at a meeting point, and is creating a new prototype: a toy for people with reduced mobility to see the grain and be able to excite the clitoris, to do so, vibrators and pressure sensors are placed in the body part that you control most. I, on the other hand, focus on outreach and education. For example, I've been recently at the Topatu Pototak Days in Tolosa with young girls. I offered a talk about postporn and ethical, feminist and revolutionary porn. We are eager to continue working, of course.