You immerse yourself in cybersex and find contempt for your body.

Porn has always interested me, but it didn't fill me, and I approached post-porn. We also made a manifesto in favor of the militant Porno. So people started to represent me inside porn and from others I started to feel an explicit rejection and a repudiation towards my body. They made me see that desire was limited to certain bodily patterns and that I was not in that model: “Don’t do it, let it be nauseated, you can’t sexualize your body publicly.” On the contrary, I have always had the tendency to hyper-sexualize myself, because to the extent that I have been wanted to remove from the maps of desire, it has been a way of opposing it, as well as manifesting that I am not ashamed to show my body; that is why I upload naked photos to the network.

A few years ago, in the social network Twitter came the Lizunak initiative, which has helped a lot to empower itself: people sent photos and in our Basque Country Puritana Herria bodies went naked, some filled the established canons and others did not. They were all considered desirable, and that was very strong. I took part in the initiative, but I didn't take the picture because it's nice, but to put it on the map and reclaim it. And I know that there are people who want me, who can wish me and who want me. I don't see my eroticism, but I believe in my eroticism; it's also a fight against low self-esteem.

I want to be attractive, but not in the parameters of beauty, I don't want to adapt my body to the molds in which beauty is understood today, but I want to show that I'm attractive. In that sense, I'm very interested in ugly activism, and it serves me to strengthen myself in the way I understand: instead of focusing on making everything beautiful, you may not be beautiful or beautiful, but that doesn't detract from the ability to eroticize and sexualize; the invalids, the old… you don't have to remove them from the map of desirability. Let's reclaim diversity.

Beauty and desirability are therefore different.

I differentiate beauty and desire, not to deny beauty, but to oppose the need to understand beauty as a necessary condition for desire. We can give and receive pleasure without going through that beauty filter. In addition, the centrality of beauty destroys many lives.

The kind speech says that diversity is beautiful and that we are all beautiful.

I compare it to joy. I tend to be depressed, sometimes I'm sad and angry with the world and, for example, I've been forced to go to parties because I knew that at home I was going to be worse, but people are approaching and getting stuck until I smiled, although I didn't want to smile. In a way, they force you to draw the smile and once you get it, the other gets quiet, forgets you and goes on holiday. I see beauty in a similar way: don't force me to see my beautiful body if I don't see it beautiful. That doesn't mean I have to hide from the world.

According to self-help guidelines, the basis lies in self-love.

I have a complex relationship with myself. I completely destroyed myself emotionally and managed to reinvent myself. I wondered, what is positive for your happiness? And I tried to prioritize the ideas and dynamics that were good for me. Since then, I'm happy with my body, but not with my body, and my point of view is good, because I've relived as I want. What happens is that the values that I prioritize are not the ones that prevail in society, and hence the violent clash with the environment. In the current social model, taking some lives forward is very hard.
In the face of disgusting comments, defend your nudity.

Not censoring my body in the face of comments that give me nausea reinforces me. There are people who want to choke us and feel the pleasure of pissing and despising others, and although at times it's very hard, it's a way of saying that they're not going to get it, and it's not my business alone. Although I have lived it personally, I share this struggle with many people who live it in a similar way.

It is a route of normalization, because I was born abnormal (out of normality), made me feel discriminated from very small (because at first I was heady, then for other things), it is a message that I have constantly received “you are not normal”, and that is very destructive. I've always seen myself on the losing side. When you live outside normativity, sometimes you want it to be normal, because normal means peace and quiet, and you try it, but it's not inside you and at the end it all bursts because you're quiet, but not at ease. It's a sterile peace of mind, an attempt at adaptation, but it's not you. My goal is to be able to live socializing as I've been born, without being bullied. Strengthening self-esteem, using tools like ugly activism or nudity, happiness -- it's all the same way, and that's my way.

Do you have a healthy relationship with your body?

I don't have a positive relationship, but I do have a healthy relationship, because although I don't value it too much, that has never led me to the devastating tendencies against my body.

And in society, do we have a healthy relationship with our body?

We've talked about the primacy of the discourse of beauty. There are trends that force us to control our body and we're full of complexes. And I'm very lucky because I'm a kid, because I know cases of girls who have been subjected to brutal and relentless aggression for showing their bodies. I've seen too many people suffering through their bodies, and that's not healthy. In any case, the focus should not be on people who have a conflictive relationship with their bodies, but on the model that drives such a relationship.

Your weapon is the hypersexualization of yourself. Do we generally judge the body in relation to sex and desire?

It's different that I get hyper-sexualized by my own decision, or that others see no more than sex in you, and sometimes we do too much. We've come to sexualize the mother who is breastfeeding her. I see that pleasure is at the heart of our lives and it's really fun to sexualize our lives, but it's also necessary to treat people as people. Because objectifying women because they are women is harmful. I know boys who are not able to understand girls as friends, without having sex between ellas.En
recent times have been talked about gordophobia (fat phobia).

Anti-Gordphobia activists are doing a great job and we must thank them and the feminist movement, who are getting to put on the agenda and reflect on these kinds of issues. They are pulling out and fighting persecutions that have hitherto been invisible. We are living in interesting times and a great deal is being done to value it. The documentary Yes, we fuck is a highly recommended example of the relationship that people who are out of the normal with sexuality have. It is ideal to deal with many prejudices.