Veunac de Biarritz, Alzuri de Bidarte, González de Bokale and Olive de Angelu (Lapurdi) have been against the organization of a single Public Interlocal Cooperation Agency (HELP) in considering that the only structure is "ungovernable". When we talked to Nicholas Blain, the mayor's edict had not been published. We have again spoken to the common spokesman on this subject: “How is it possible to participate in the demonstrations in favor of the Territorial Community and now against it? At this stage, two positions can be adopted: For or against Ipar Euskal Herria, but there is no medium term. A path of democratic secrecy must be opened and agreed by a large majority. This attitude of those who have participated in the discussions in recent months is unacceptable.” These words from Blain on the record of four defendants. We held the conversation immediately before them.

What is the Batera platform doing? Your task seems to have cooled down.

It looks like it does, but it doesn't. In the last ten months it has not appeared in public, but we are working intensively: The Development and Elected Councils, the Chamber of Commerce and the Inter-Village Assemblies. Soon we will leave to the plaza.

Is the political situation of Ipar Euskal Herria in favour of the Batasuna lines?

Yes. And not only because of the results obtained by the abertzales in the votes, but because in the rest of the parties a line has been imposed that is not jacobin. Jacobins are not in their positions, at least for the most part. A kind of fracture has occurred. Today, 110 mayors support Batasuna’s demands and the number of elections is increasing with elections

The Department ' s claim was transferred to the Territorial Community. The Community is now called upon to do so. Are citizens aware of the reasons for the changes?

As I see it, yes. More than 35,000 people participated in the 2010 consultation. “Are you for or against the Territorial Community?” they responded with optimism. There was the curve. Subsequently, we have worked on pedagogy in public forums. In Anartean, in 2013, we took the initiative to the streets of Baiona and Maule bringing together thousands of people. However, former Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said that “a special status institution will not be created in France.” The French Government did not want to give way to the territorial community, but came a "non-resounding" from Paris. We study continuing to compete with Paris or take advantage of the opportunities that exist to respond to our demands through current public law. The members of Elkarrekin have prioritized the creation of a single Public College for the political structuring of Iparralde. Always maintaining the objective of the Territorial Community, as this structure is the most democratic, the most understandable to the public.

Occasional Governments obstruct the work of the Basques.

As much as we strive to be optimistic, in the current context, the Territorial Community will not achieve this in 25 years. Jacobino Jean Grenet said that “the first party in France is not the right or the left, but the jacobin”. It is therefore not a matter of parties. At the National Assembly in Paris the majority consists of Jacobins. When the word Euskal Herria appears, they block the way. They do not take part in the debate, but they appear in the House to vote against. Obviously, they do not want to institutionalize the Basque Country.

Could the Commonwealth bring the form of institutionalization of Ipar Euskal Herria?

The Herri Elkargoa is a first step. Clearly, this structure has shortcomings. We are aware that we will find the limits of the immense. These institutional structures, in line with French public law, have only 20 years of existence. It's now stabilizing in some way. We must, however, palpate and take advantage of this kind of institution. We are 158 peoples and we have to demonstrate that we are able to articulate a coherent territorial project. To start, collect and balance the interior and the coast. Show that the Basque Country and the Basque culture need a structure.

What is the lesson after the General Assembly of the Council of Elects on 1 July? What is the task?

We have to find procedures that adhere to French law in order to shape the institutional structure here. The government has given this order to the prefect of Pau. Lehendakari has ordered the prefect to list the institutional means that exist for Ipar Euskal Herria. The prefect made four or five proposals. These are found in the territorial reform that is being developed in line with the NOTRE law and that can guide the organization of the Urola Kosta Commonwealth. So far more than 5,000 inhabitants have been required to set up a Public College. According to the text adopted in July, 20,000 will be needed from 2017 onwards. This is the main change for Iparralde. In fact, there are now ten public schools: two agglomerations and eight public schools. On the contrary, seven out of ten do not meet the 20,000 population range. Right now, the prefect is working to change the map of schools. Our objective is the creation of a single public college to replace the ten public schools.

Can the prefect help?

The prefect has considered that the road to the Single Commonwealth of Iparralde should be paved. With it, the ten schools today would disappear. We will have to see how the new structure is organized over the next 5-10 years, so that the existing structures are not cut in tampa, as these public schools will disappear. The Public Schools shall be constituted by the Rural Houses, in accordance with the regulations of public law.

What are the difficulties or shortcomings in the establishment of the Community?

Deficiencies or errors are manifested especially around the gobernanza.Las questions are: Who will be elected? The powers of the electorate. How will taxation be organised? Today, we are not in a position to set their answers precisely. However, some voters, faced with these few details, vote against and block the project. Attitude is very dangerous. We don't see their behavior clearly or help.

Is there a risk of blockage?

Yes. If, at this decisive moment in the process, the will of the single Community does not begin, a new exit will be sought. Organise three schools, for example. The prefect said that. If our territory is articulated in this way, the risk is enormous. Since coastal agglomerations will survive, the direct relationship with Bordeaux will be worked out by them. The debate has been highly politicised. If the planning of the territory is based on the number of inhabitants, the current Public Schools on the coast will raise more money than those of the interior, leaving the Public Schools of the interior in the background.

If three public schools were set up, it would not be a joint institution.

The Public College is Plan A. If this were not done, there would be a plan B: three or four public schools. If Plan B were to be implemented, they could organise a kind of coordination between the big cities of the agglomeration. We are against that, because it could assume the status of structure of a Joint Union. This route was discarded in 2010. The Joint Union has no competence, does not manage money, does not have taxation. This structure was rejected because it was too weak. There is no basis for intervening our future. Unitarians do not see it as adequate. According to the prefect, the Public College is one or three or four public schools. The risk is there, including the risk that the interior – rural world – will be left behind.

The mayors of two agglomerations (Angelu/Biarritz and San Juan de Luz/Hendaia) did not attend the last General Assembly of the electorate. It's not a good sign.

The prefect prioritizes the use of the status or status of agglomerations to form a single Commonwealth. The prefect has proposed to the mayors of the agglomerations that they share their status and structure among 158 localities. I understand that it is a courageous and damaging proposal to share with others the means they have today. That is why a solution must be simulated. Because the experts in the process of structuring do not rule out organizing the structure of the Urban Space. And, for example, the elects of the two agglomerations of Baiona and San Juan would not renounce that solution.

The head of the department, Jean-Jacques Lasser, has said that he has doubts about the process that has been opened. However, it has until recently been president of the Council of Elects.

Lasser, who did not take part in the vote on 1 July, was in the Palau de la Generalitat. It appears that the post of Head of Department may cause difficulties, as he has been President of the Council of Elects. So far we have developed all the reflections under your responsibility. When we proposed the Territorial Collectivity, it was the head of the elect. Now I would ask you this question: “Are you in favour of a single structure in favour of Euskal Herria?” What do you have doubts? In recent months it does not appear as it used to be when I was president of the Council of Elects. Perhaps then he was not entirely convinced, because he entered this political process with interest. In any event, it must now clarify its position and, if it is consistent, rely on the same view as it had before. Today, everything at stake is beyond the party, beyond each other’s political career. Lasser should reflect like this. It's stalled by images. He has to be discharged, waiting.