How do you live since you stopped being Spanish?

Suffering. The appropriation of the injustices of the world makes you unwell. When I was an idiot Spanish, I lived happily. Now, independence is a drug, and I need it first of all.

You explained in a book written in Spanish that ceased to be Spanish.

Because romance is my mother tongue. And I'm not able to write in Basque. Our generation has worked in Spanish for the Basque people. Most ikastolas were built by Castellanospeakers. However, my children will not have to do it again.

Right? These schools were to be persecuted and punished, according to Miguel Sanz.

That stupid navarrerism is what we have to make disappear, because it is the cancer of Navarra. A corrupt consequence of Franco, which was strengthened in the Transition to take the Basque soul from the Navarros.

To the last book you have called it Vascosnavarros, because Euskal Herria is farce, of course, as Aznar has announced.

His grandfather said otherwise. Neggar Euskal Herria is from 2000 onwards. Final Spain. Nor did it happen in Franco's time.

It could be the same Navarrorriojanos...

The Sociedad Navarra y Riojana have three entries for a Google prize draw. Basque Society - Navarrak 123,000.

The Navarros, in general, do not want to be Basque Country.

That is very cyclical and will change in another situation. The trends are there and will also be reflected in the elections in the near future.

But don't we determine ourselves in every election?

All elections are different. That is where we have the referendum against NATO, which we win against everyone. That is why the Spaniards do not love consultations.

By the way, I don't know if things have gone very well in the last political Roncesvalles ...

As a people we went very well in the votes. I was expecting a little bit more from the left. However, I am more concerned about the situation of prisoners. I think we are not doing enough.

Maybe if Lerín had left shortly before...

We all had to get out of Lerín together, and that's how it was. That was the key. Before, the safe division. And then maybe too. The apple fell when it was ripe.

Some people think that the Abertzale left has dropped his pants.

As I see it, we are doing well. However, there is no need to take further steps in slippery fields. For example, ethics. Label weapons can be left as ethical weapons are taken. I, in general, am proud of the struggle we have waged over this half-century.