Up and down the victim. Now, Franco's. As far as I know, Lakua must appoint the members who will form the committee to decide who they are. I don't know more. What I know is that in the surroundings that we were created, there was at least one home. We spent our childhood in reference to the Workers Battalion, who later knew exactly what that was. Coincidentally, we, their children, many of them had killed a relative, a little friend dead on the front, the parents kept silent for a quarter of a century, you had a situation lived without rest until our generation enlightened it. It wasn't started by ETA, it was without ETA the most secret photo of the post-war we received, of the relatives who were forcibly removed from home. In our closest environments you will find hardly anyone who has not been tortured, who has no vocation to be a victim, and who has not been destroyed in the Old Donostia, in Ondarreta, in Amara: López, Losada, Granaino, Manzanas, Sainz, you have names stuck in our guts. Most of the tortured were not from ETA, everything is ETA and it's not Garzón's invention. And we haven't been asked for forgiveness, we don't need it, we don't need to be forgiven.