Asun and Sagrario have been the witnesses. Both are born and live in the Casco Viejo de Pamplona, Asun is 68 years old and Sagrario 72. In the 1960s, they were children and went to the school of the cervical schools of Navas de Tolosa Street. Now they tell what they have lived, describing their personal experiences and the general environment.

The Holy One says that a nun “fell in love” with him. After completing the classes, she forced her to stay alone with her. “I always put the table in the middle, I never let him approach because I knew what was going on.” Her sister's experience was more raw. 15 years ago recognized for the first time the abuses suffered in the Ursulinas. At the age of 11, he was transferred to the room next to the ward and told his sister that the nurse “Magdalene of christ” lay in bed in the morning and in the evening: “She told us that while the nun abusing her didn’t know how to react, she was completely blocked.”

Widespread abuse and impunity

The interviewees stated in the interview that the abuses were widespread: “Impunity was total. We know that there were at least five nuns who abuse the girls (Magdalene of Christ, Paloma, Begoña, Laura and Amelia…)”. The abusers also had names, plugged in. “It was so well known that it was not intimate,” the two interviewees say in another passage. They talk about the case of a nun going to bed every day with the same girl, or the day that the same nun gave the bus trip to Oviedo kissing a 16-year-old girl.

They also refer to the abuse of a priest: “We were forced to confess with the cure of the school (a priest of the Cathedral of Pamplona who is alive). He asked us very morbid questions. Do you touch? Where? How many times? When you get warm, do you cross your legs or what do you do? I'm sure in the meantime he played in the confessional."

Of the need to report

The Sagrario and Asun, for their part, stress the difficulties of denouncing sexual abuse. So what day. “We didn’t say anything at school because they were the ones who committed the abuses, everyone knew. All you could do was run away from there, that’s what we did.” The Sagrario counted as a family at the age of 18: “One of my sisters, who then entered the nun, told me she was lying.” With parents, “we don’t try. My father was very attached to the church.” Asun referred to another fact, related to the difficulties in reporting family abuse: “I told them that by the time I had been abused by a relative, and my father’s reaction was to offer money so he wouldn’t speak.”

Despite the difficulties, Asun and Sagrario defend the need to denounce: “Denouncing is the least that can be done. Despite the consequences that can splash you, you have to do it above all.”