“Cooperativism has more capacity to stay in times of crisis than other companies, as it generates less social costs than capitalism. But what is cooperativism, a resistance tool or an alternative?” is the first question that arises. “I mean, is the key to what, to survive better? Or is there any other will? Can we repoliticize cooperativism? Can we discuss who wins and loses when we make decisions? Can we counter the distribution of costs and benefits?” He insisted on the need to discuss the meaning of the economy: “We accept this phrase as a great truth: ‘This project is not economically viable’. Isn't it? It's going to depend on your economic sense!"

When will we do it if we do not do it now?

“It’s time to rethink the questions. We're experiencing the third industrial revolution. We are facing a great social change brought about by the change in the way we produce.” The Economist's Third Industrial Revolution was revived in the 18th century by the first industrial revolution that brought the steam engine, the fordism that brought mass production in 1903 and the third by the creation of the Internet: “Everything is being transformed because this technological change makes disperse production possible. Nowadays files travel and not products. What's impacting? We've moved from industrial capitalism to financial capitalism. The basis for creating wealth is no longer to produce (e.g. build a bridge). They accumulate wealth with the operations of money movements of the stock exchanges, which are open 24 hours.”

Is it better to compete than to cooperate?

“The answer of the capitalist system is that it is always better to compete. In this third situation of industrial revolution, there are those who say that cooperation is more effective. On the Internet, the capacity to improve cooperation is greater than that of closed systems based on competition: Wikipedia will always be better than the British Encyclopedia (the latter was closed). Wikipedia is unstoppable. Wikipedia constantly feeds on the input of people and is a common good. More important than being owned by you is having access. Is the cooperation that the Internet brings, the open source, the continuous improvement, in dialogue with cooperation? In the Catalan experiences I know, no. However, some dynamics that have emerged outside the logic of the Internet and the logic of the market have naturally adopted the model of cooperation.”